[Roof / Roof face - Change a cut out opening]

hi

Thanks. I agree that it's quite tricky to get there. 

 

Anyway, there is another "riddle" I can't solve.

I need to get the 2 roof ridges of a trapezoidal dormer perpendicular to the fascia.

I can't seem to find the geometrical - mathematical way to construct this.

See attachment and vwx.

May you have an idea? It must have something to do with roof slopes

and intersections between related faces...

 

Trapezoidal Dormer test.vwx

[Roof / Roof face - Change a cut out opening]

Hi! Thanks for that.

It works, but the consequence of this action is, that the roof gets split up to roof faces this way.

We'll lose the benefits of the roof...

I have to see if I can live with that.

But thanks again, your suggestion was helpful.

[Roof / Roof face - Change a cut out opening]

Hello
Is it possible to make a hole in a roof smaller again or to close it completely?
It was previously punched out with "Delete/cut surface"...
Haven't found a way to do this yet...
Thanks for an input.
MiD

[3DConnexion SpaceNavigator Configuration]

Hi there

 

I'm also owner of a Space Mouse - 3dconnexion.

The model is from 2016 or 2017.

I didn't really use it until now, though.

Do you know, if I can still work with it in VW 2021?

Is there a kind of usage instructions for 3d-Mouse in VW?

I don't know how to install it, and how to implement it.

 

Thanks

Michael

 

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

ok, thanks for the specification. I'll have a closer look at that point, too.

 

In the end, this has been the problem of the dormer.

The next question is, how to solve the joints between dormer and main roof...?

Let's see...

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll follow them.

That's what I've found out: 

Intersection between roofs, when one of them has incline in 2 directions doesn't work. (example 1° and 5°).

 

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

I'm trying hard to get it right.

In the document attached I have 2 examples:

 

1) 2 roof faces which I got from a roof, that I've changed into faces.

2) 2 roof faces built from scratch.

 

It's strange to me: When I try to edit roof style, the ones built from scratch and  aren't possible to offset, do not show "edit roof style" when I right click on them.

While the other 2 do. (They have been extracted from a former roof.)

 

Can it be that there is a different behavior when roof faces are "exploded" roofs?

Roof faces 2.vwx

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

Thanks for your help, @Hans-Olav

Please, could you try joining the 2 roof faces in the document attached.

I can't seem to get there...

They should make up a trapezoidal dormer in the end.

Roof faces.vwx

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

ok. I think I got it. Thanks.

this works.

unfortunately, a roof face like this doesn't properly work in offset with another roof face. 🤪

It's quite a lot of effort to build something as common as a trapezoidal dormer, don't you agree?

 

 

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

16 hours ago, Hans-Olav said:

if you rotate the line that defines the slope you can get the roof to slope in both directions

You need to calculate to get the right angle

Hi Hans-Olav.

Thanks for reply.

It's not possible to rotate a roof face in 3d > see attachment.

It says "Hybrid objects can only be rotated around z-axis.

 

I've tried to rotate a simple rectangle in x and y, and then make a roof face out of it.

Even that is not possible...

It's quite disappointing, that such an advanced software can't solve such a common task...

 

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

17 hours ago, Tom W. said:

You should use a Slab instead 

Thanks for your suggestion. The problem is : I have one face with 65°. Slab isn't possible with such incline...

[roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?]

Hi 

Does anybody know I can create a roof face with incline in both directions (X and Y)?

Thanks for help.

Mi&D

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

@Tom W. At least I got closer to solve it. In my example of trapezoidal Dormer I succeeded in joining 2x2 roof faces. (It hasn't been possible to join a pair 2-layered roof faces).

Still, I have some issues at the offset. There is one edge that shouldn't be there. And the at the inner intersection lines do not meet in the same point...

Is this the best we can get?

PS. In the thread I've found your statement: "to join two Roof Faces using Dual Object Connect Mode + Mitre Roof Face Joins Mode".

I am using a Swiss version of VW. Could you please show me the icons of these 2 Modes. I might need to check...

On the other hand, you're mentioning, that the horizontal face should be set at 0.1° (trick).

Unfortunately, in my case I can't rotate the 8° (y-axis) face 0.1° in the other direction (x-axis)...

 

Do you know a way how to incline the roof face in both directions (0.1° and 8°)?

This would solve the problem I guess.

 

 

 

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

Thanks @Tom W.

You guys rock!

In our European Forum we don't get that far in analyzing tools and looking for solutions.

Great effort!

I'll have to study this.

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

@Tom W.

I did some research meanwhile concerning roof faces offset:

 

- 2 faces with equal angle : offset is ok

- 2 faces with different angle: offset with troubles

- 1 face is 0° (flat) : offset doesn't work...

 

see screenshots 1,2,3

 

Am I doing something wrong?  Or is it a bug?

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

Hi @Tom W. Thank you. This is fascinating. I'll have to try this alternative methods,

even-though in my specific case the lateral part of the trapezoidal dormer is at 63°.

Anyways I want to learn the use of inclined slabs.

 

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

@Tom W.

Hi again. It's outstanding what an effort some of our colleagues make to get there.

I have one issue to resolve: How to change a roof face into a solid object or into a subdivision?

Actually, starting from a dormer, I'd like to get to a solid or subdivision body to reshape it.

The roof face seems to be very stubborn. I can't find a way to ungroup or explode it.

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

@Tom W. Thanks for the hint. I knew there must be more than this...I'll have a look at this thread anytime soon.

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

17 hours ago, Wes Gardner said:

Vectorworks cannot produce canted walls

Hi Wes. This statement makes me think.

Why is it not possible to tilt a wall in an advanced CAD software like Vectorworks?

 

[Problems with trapezoidal dormer]

hi @shorter

thanks for the suggestion.

It seems like joining roof faces isn't so easy.

Probably it is necessary to make separate roof faces and lay them over each other:

One for the insulation and one for the skin...See screenshot. 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

Hi Wes

Thanks for reply. I've tried it with roof faces. 

I got it done, but the result isn't yet satisfying. 

Have a look at these 2 screenshots.

In section we have an extrude on the left and a roof face on the right.

Somehow roof faces do not behave the way I'd like them to:

Joining single roof layers - like insulation in this case - isn't possible.

 

[Vectorworks Dormers or personalise Dormers??]

On 5/22/2020 at 3:34 PM, Wes Gardner said:

@vassen, I use the automatic dormer creation sequence to build a conceptual dormer getting it close in size and location on the roof.  I then ungroup the dormer resulting in roof faces and walls.  From there you can use wall styles, etc. on the dormer.

 

Wes

Hi Wes, I'm Michael from Switzerland.

I've tried your suggested method to create a trapezoidal dormer.

The result is promising. I have a conflict though with the lateral roof parts of the dormer...

They aren't walls nor are they roof faces. They come as 3d-polygons.

I can't seem to get these polygons under control. They should look the same way as the roof in section.

Is there a way to transform this inclined 3d-polygons into roof-faces or any other element that looks ok in section? 

 

[Problems with trapezoidal dormer]

Hi there

I am Michael from Switzerland. At the moment I'm trying hard to build a trapezoidal dormer.

It's quite tricky and I can't seem to get there.

As you see in the attached vwx.file and screenshot, I have 2 lateral 3d-elements and a shed roof on top.

I don't know how to bring them together...

Could anybody please help me?

Thanks, Mi&D

 

Dach Mansard Trapezgaube.vwx

[troubles with a dormer]

Hi there

I have some troubles with a dormer.

How can I get the intersection between roof and dormer done?

See attached my result, which isn't really what I need...

Thanks for any hint.

Michael

[Construction Phasing Data Visualization (Existing, Demo, New, NIC)]

Hi

As far as I remember, the window tool in your version (I guess it's the version of the US) is different from the Swiss one.

This might be the reason why it isn't possible to edit those objects.

See this link from our Swiss Forum...

Down below I translated the essence for you...

 

Anyways, I need to understand how the attributes of windows work,

only then I can try to change them with data visualization.

But please, if you could try in your VW version, to insert a window 

in a wall and see what it gives after applying data visualization, 

the same way you did with the doors before (Doors Demo).

I should be really thankful for this.

 

 

3 hours ago, The Hamma said:

The door appears to have some sort of header.

The highlighted object on the printscreen you've sent me is not a door, but a window.

The header show levels of parapet and lintel.

 

Here now the translation of the thread:

Das Fenstertool ist beispielsweise wie @zoom schon aufführt komplett anders. (Das engl. Window Tool ist auch in der DE Version enthalten.)

For example, the window tool is completely different, as @zoom already performs. (The English Window Tool is also included in the DE version.)

 

D-A-CH Fenster:

Germany, Austria, Switzerland Window:

 

 

US Fenster:

US Window:

 

Ich kenne die US Version zwar viel zu wenig, aber gefühlt ist die DE Version schon weit umfangreicher, vor allem was Anschläge, Leibungsausbildung, Fenstereinteilungen und auch die Plandarstellung angeht.

I know the US version far too little, but it seems like the Swiss version is more extensive, especially in terms of hinges, reveals, window layouts.

 

Es gibt auch noch die Benelux Version 😏, die kann dann noch viel mehr bei den Fensterformen (Freiformen).

There is also the Benelux version 😏, which can then do much more with the window shapes (freeforming).