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Couldn't agree more..IMO Clients aren't interested in drones, they prefer to equip themselves with iphones and instructions fly down to their projects, taking photos comparing Bim Details with Data, and Finally posting on Social Media & google. As I said previously there are no clients here, no use posting. I am interested in trialing the technology with data, but I am not getting excited with VWs 2018

Credentials may get you a client/job interview or short listed, but it's data and proofs that gets you into the A-Team How does VR without Data & Proofs get you into the A-Team, please share your experiences as I am genuinely interested Don't worry about losing clients here there are none.

What data do you offer with VR? I do everything along the supply chain with data->Optimise-> Design->Engineer-> Certify->Construct Clients & AEC industry loves it... OT, Clients trust engineers with data because they offer proofs..unfortunately the same can't be said of Gamers and Artists LOL, you need to get out into the real AEC Industry mate..that's why you arent getting a response from others.hth

@Alan Woodwell No Bites..LOL and your not likely to. The average client isn't interested in Renderings & Gaming It's not a game when they have their pants pulled down on site because the data is lacking or rubbish and the architect can't tell them why, while the contractor makes a killing. Interestingly enough..C4D is up 4 Sale..might as well flip it if the times right...

No response? Hmmm. Then I'll add further information 1. Client already feels ripped off with previous design (by architect/archicad) lead team and BIM experience estimates way over his budget and forked out $200K+ for nothing...sorry some renderings? So he is reluctant to go down that path again 2. Back to Preliminary sketch/design with data, Optimisation, alternate Materials, Engineering & Data 3. Here is the kicker Potentially design and construct but needs to go to tender,etc,etc 4. Bim Data required all along supply chain Thanks

I would like to put this out their for comments? I've got a Unit project and I am already tired/exhausted of prosecuting the BIM model happy to handball it over to the Clients,Subcontractors, Suppliers, Builders and google thoughts?

If I was to extrapolate and use the new clip- gif methodology further? I would use it on a real projects & show its benefits elsewhere.

There aren't enough Structural engineers doing BIM in Vws to help improve the tools & export features. Furthermore, another problem is clients don't see the benefits in using VWs & this needs to be addressed ASAP, otherwise your projects aren't even going to make it to site in its initial file form, clients are going to insist on sketchup or revit OT. The biggest issue on site these days is dealing with non-compliance and checks

I can't remember the last time I mirrored or section through tables and chairs in a section viewport? IMO it would have been more useful to add editing in clip sections in XYZ planes... rather than XY only BTW nice GIF

Simulations offer choices and involve data? IMO Clients arent interested in gaming iterations, Trial & Error,etc It's a waste of resources. they just want the best or optimal solution, proofs with Checks & Balances. Check out re-engineering simulation algorithms you aren't likely to get that here with VWs

Simulations require Data,Proofs and trusted Real Engineers If you want answers you need to look elsewhere as you won't find them on any forum

@digitalcarbon Try exporting via parasolid to multiphysics programs like Ansys, Comsol and the like, then deliver the optimised data presentations precisely to clients via apps. The problem is they (the FEM software companies) aren't interested in Artists & Architects as the profits are too low.. tho autodesk is, if you ask me not having multiphysics simulations is a shortfall in Nemetschek's overall strategy

Of course there is other useful information embedded in solid geometry and extracted surfaces and the geometry and data is now used in simulations mostly by engineers Fabricators & Contractors also use it in construction estimating, pricing & build optimisation algorithms , logistics, not to forget the project owners use it in Life cycle Analysis Parasolid is the best Modelling Kernell, cheap as chips with VWs, although most of the PIO & Worksheets are pathetic and need upgrade , Thats another story You shouldn't load up BIM Models with useless data..there are standards. The SMM uses 3 levels of division, Measurement rules, Definition Rules, Coverage rules, Developed BIM rules,etc,etc You need to ask questions to others outside of this forum

That's a problem with all forums that are sales based, with every new release diminishing product trust VWs would do best to focus on quality content, that backs up the Marketing gimmicks, because times are tough for the battlers

@digitalcarbon I suggest you get copies of the Standard Method of Measurement Engineering & Construction You are extracting the wrong data

Thanks Pat I've been using extract surfaces for simple solids It seems to be reliable enough and has other benefits relating to boundary conditions OT importing BIM objects is proving to be rubbish

@alan Thats pretty cool you might want to add Obj get volume Applications Insitu concrete & Formwork

Clients aren't interested in material lists, be it Particleboards or Building blocks. They are more concerned with why is 2 sheets made into a bookshelf costing $500? or 1K m3 concrete in a building costing $3M? That is the conundrum and that wont be solved in any Architectural BIM program at this stage.

It's not that it can't be done in this program, those that have the biggest say don't want it done.

You can never have too many options, having too many variable is the issue Fix some and you can optimise & solve the build..hth

@line-weight Try extracting surfaces tool ->assign a class->use a database? If you want to Optimise & Automate the cutting list ...goodluck it can't be done in this program (travelling salesman Algorithm)

@nca777 I am a Contractor & Civil Engineer, You need to look elsewhere for answers, try, AEC forums & communities, network there. I don't personally have much to do with LAs, but from the client's perspective I am Informed LA generally gets cut due to no fault of their own. I would imagine that would be frustrating for them. OT, ,the impression I get here is it's always the users fault, get more training, upgrade your software, you are not helping enough with your wishes? And I forgot to mention, Look at the fabulous student presentations...? Yeah right! , they use free software, don't deal with real clients and don't have a job. They seem to be marketing the software development direction?

@nca777 Nick you are wasting your time, here are my tips for any software evaluations 1.Find power users, at the top of the DATA Presentation food chain, that work on real projects 2.Try to Join a competent team 3.All experts promote themselves first..software are just tools 4.You can get evaluation software extensions..ha,ha,ha even for software worth $100K (20 x VWs) But I've always updated VWD..even if I don't use it that year I am fortunate enough to control the entire project along the supply chain Goodluck

File format or more precisely Data Accuracy & Compliance is being decide right now AFAIK it's not IFC? The data is either compliant or noncompliant with the standards & code, the latter is certified by engineers who prefer a more robust modelling kernel.

The pecking order on project DATA format selection is Engineers,Consultants, Architects & Last LA Engineers are pressuring Stakeholders into using Revit as for Archicad it's not even considered robust enough and they are so far behind. VWs with parasolid is my preferred choice but it's a losing battle..goodluck