Joe Newell

That's ok Katie. I thought I had thought of all the obvious angles but I always forget the 2d 3d thing. Not that I was drawing in 3d but you never know. And I never will know because I trashed all the symbols and started again. Thanks anyway.

Got a problem. I will send you an e-mail of the drawing I am working in if you could take a look and tell me what you think. It is a floor plan of a condo. and each floor plan is a symbol because I am using them at different scales in different drawings. The problem lies in the fact taht there is a ghostly bathroom that appears when the symbold is inserted in the drawing but that isn't visible when you are in the symbol edit mode. Tried turning all the classes on and all the layers. I tried going into the symbol and copy clipped the entire floor plan and pasted it into a new clean symbol and voila the ghost bathroom returned in exactly the same spot. What gives? please tell me an e-mail so I can send this over and get it sorted. I am lost. and under the gun to get stuff completed . HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP!

Well I reduced things to 120mb minimum and 150mb preferred. I have turned off all the hatch. there is no hatch And I am crashing all over the place. So I give up I am going home. Thanks for your hlp. Have a nice long weekend folks.

As Jack Nicholson said in "A Few Good Men" .... "Well, I feel like a stupid idiot" at least that's the way they dubbed it. Thanks I'll try that and get back to you. Bear in mind, I truned VM on because someone said to. I also upped my memory allocation because some one said to. I am very impressionable.

just noticed I am getting carrid away with these smilies Is it annoying anyone because I can stop anytime really half of the time I don't even know what emotion I am trying to convey because it's such an emotionless business I am in

Usually there are no other programs running. just finder and Vectorworks My min and preferred are as follows: min: 300,000 preferred: 400,000 is that a lot?

Or scratch her, whioch is what I meant to say. Katie: second part of your question, I can make the problem drawing crash every time just by grabbing something and dragging it around for a bit. If the auto scrolling feature takes me off the screen then I am sure to crash. However this is not the only thing that causes a crash. And it doesn't necessarily crash right away when I do the drag thing, but it will eventually crash. Sometimes if I crash while moving something and restart VW and go back into the same drawing and try to do the same thing again it will crash in exactly the same part of the move. The idiosyncrasies are endless. Incedentally, since starting this thread, which I admit hass been going on a bit too long simply because I enjoy hearing myself type, I have turned off the hatch in the latest problem drawing and have had no further crashes. This is not to say it won't crash in the future bbut I will keep you posted. Also.... I may not ever have to ask another stupid question or bring up any more painful and unsolvable problems because I think the powers that be are going to buy me VW 10 NO MORE WORRIES!!!!!!!!!

Katie: I am getting no error messages. The program simply stops responding. The mouse still moves around by which sign I know the computer hasn't gone down, only the proram. However I can only get back into Finder by forcing VW to quit. Occasionally the computer will freeze. This calls for a reboot. The program freeze happens on average, every minute when I am working in a problem drawing. this barely gives me time to save. I can make two or three moves and then save them and maybe make one more before she goes tits up. Just to give you an idea. The computer freez happens maybe once every 10 or fifteen program freezes. Again, no message. Its not unlike my dog who sometimes just loses interest in you regardless of where you are scratching you and wanders off to chew on a sock. (that often calls for a re-boot too, but for those I use my steel toe kodiaks) Fonts..... Well fonts may be corrupt or they may not be I don't know. Fonts are probably the least understood bit of Macs for me. Telling me to check my fonts is like telling me to manipulate my genes. where do I start eh???

Not really. I finally figured out how to get my password back.

I did Titnaium, er I mean Titanium, I did this too and it crashed as I was doing it... The new drawing crashed. I have labouriously changed all my wall areas into specific classes with hatches assigned to each. I will see how that works. I answer to the question about whether it is computer specific...no it isn't The same drawing chrashes on any given computer in our office, and I have 5 to choose from. Thanks for the suggestions though. On the other hand, These drawings never crash my PC at home. ever. Unfortunately its at home. ...

oo-er I guess I should take VW off my PC then and forget the serial number. I didn't realize it was illegal. Not that it matters. I haven't used it much at home anyway. I thought it would be nifty to be able to work at home and complete models and renderings that I started in the office but then I get home and I think Nah, I'd rather be out in my workshop. But it raises the question. If an office has PC's and Macs operating in the same office, and it does happen. Things aren't as Black and White as they might appear. Can you get combined licenses that allow Vectorworks to be moved from Mac to PC or a 5 pack say with licenses in it for both PC's and Macs. We all thought we could do that, and we have a PC in the office that was supposed to do double duty as a drafting station. (not that it has panned out that way, but it could have) Does this mean we would have to go and purchase yet another licence in order to use the PC even if we haven't used all the serial numbers in our five pack?????

Yes marc, firstly and most important... You installed VW 9.5.2

dang

Are there different licence serial numbers for PC's and Mac's for Renderworks. I tried to install Renderworks on my home PC, I work on a Mac in the office. The serial number worked fine for Vectorworks, but when I type in the RW serial number to get Renderworks up and running It says incorrect format or some such. I thought both applications were shipped to be installable on either PC's or Mac's, serial numbers and all. At least I thought this when I bought my Dell to get rendering work done while I am at home. Most inconvenient.

It is my firmly held conviction that VW is really just a cleverly disguised virus, undetectable by the likes of Norton and Macaffee. They can't see the forest for the trees so to speak. In any case. It is wreaking havoc with my computer Is there a cure for the VW Bug??? besides an oil change and new brakes.

In other words, we on the wet coast will have to wait till the next day... as usual. Nothing like knowing the soccer scores before you get to watch the game.

Hey!!!! I got it. Use the elevation script as obtained from the sites shown above. once you have your four elevations, select each elevation (or all of them together) and perform a convert to lines (as found under tools on the menu bar). Select the hidden line render option and sit back with a beer. Once it's done ungroup the image that is left and you have your clean elevations with no extraneous lines Voila!!

Careful folks. I just tried the elevation to model txt file and I got a sheet with four copies of my floor plans in elevation views. Made for an enormous drawing and I still have to redraw the elevations. Maybe I am missing something but when I was in the elevation model layer that the script creates, I went to plan view and got just that, 4 plans of my entire building with all floors. Not NNA's poblem of course. But the 3rd party script doesn't seem to do what is required. I thought it would erase all the extraneous lines and crap as if you had a hidden line rendering of the elevation of the model. But it doesn't. I guess when you think about it, this is asking a lot anyway. I generated elevations of my building this way incidently. Making a model and then going to the front, back, left and right side views and doing a hidden line or 'shaded with lines' rendering and printing that. Works pretty good for a base for design sketches but I think in my lo-tech way I am still going to have to draw them long hand.

Right sorry, I missed that bit. I have sent it Thanks

You are right, giovanni, I am talking about the views / sheets. By path tool I meant the dialog box where you select the different views. Path as opposed to the "swing around the origin" style of animation. Also, What is the correct bug-submit e-mail. I tried the one posted here and it didn't work. I can't find it anywhere on the website Thanks

Doesn't answer my question of course. As for dead products I am afraid I can't relate. As an Architect I am responsible for my products for the next 20 years or so. Effectively for ever. It really bugs me to get a response like... It's a dead product after 1 1/2 years we don't worry about that anymore. Time Software developers took some responsibility for their products for a change And answer the question please...if you can. Thanks

How about an image editor or a process that takes you into another application (preset by the user) such as adobe photoshop or some such so you don't have to mess around altering and saving and reinserting and resizing and positioning images and then having to go out and edit them some more and then do it all again in Vectorworks. very crude. like installing fine interior carpentry with a 10 lb sledge hammer.

Vectorworks is full of them My latest struggle is to produce an animated walk thru. I have generated a floor plan in a drawing set up using AEC drawing setup . I have generated a perspective and set the views along the path, I have edited the path and run a preview in the path editor. I then go back to the animation dialog box and click on preview and Vectorworks crashes with a type 12 error. There is nothing complicated about this drawing it is simple walls with a few plugin doors. I have a sun light source and an ambient light, that's all. I have shadows turned on. But the thing is it crashes regardless of whether I try a fully rendered animation or a hidden line or a wire frame. Crash crash crash This program is as buggy as Renfield Any suggestions I am on 8.5.2 Thanks

I know!!I know!!It happens to me too!!! Actually one thing that seems to have helped in one instance was cleaning the drawing as suggested by someone in the previous postings. Cleaning by copying your drawing objects layer by layer into a new drawing. I found that one drawing in particular was causing a lot of problems and it was causing the problems on any computer I opend it on. So I cleaned it up and started fresh. This is also a drawing that has lots of hatch (elevation of a gaudy overdesigned pig of a building). It is also a drawing that I have been kicking around through countless redesigns and there are objects over objects over objects and groups within groups within groups. Someone once told me that keeping the bulk of the drawing near the 0,0 origin and keeping nested groups to a minimum helps to keep the drawing sleek and well behaved. Incedently I am on VW 8.5.2 but it sounds like the same freezing issues I am having. Try this first. Video card driver upgrades and dicking around with the memory seemed to help a bit and defraging my hard drive probably helped as well but I think it is more a combination of all this stuff and the unwieldy drawings. For Nemetschek here's a suggestion, how about a recover feature that lets you recover and repair a messed up drawing. Something that does what I suggested doing manually above. Wouldn't that be nifty.

I find I am a bit grumpy in the morning not to mention all thumbs with the mouse while using Vectorworks. Is there anyway to turn off the numerous and annoyingly patronizing warnings and messages that VW pops up to tell you among other things, The wall connect tool only works when you select more then one wall (no duh, I missed the second wall is all) or to mirror something you first have to select the object to mirror.( yes yes I know all this I am just clumsy) I am sure they are useful for the first time user but for us seasoned pros, they get in the way and slow you down. particularly when you have to hit the ok button before you can proceed. I hate to harp about Autocad but one feature that was helpful was a dialog box off variable. simple and beautiful.