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Thank you!! This issue is addressed in the internal build and should be able to make it to the public later. Chih-Pin

Hello lgoodkind, If it's not under NDA, could you attach the file or send the file to me? Thank you so much!! Chih-Pin

Hello lgoodkind, I just tested it with SP1 from a blank file with two panes, one is top/plan with rotated plan and the other is perspective view. I'm able to turn that perspective view into OpenGL rendering. Could you describe more about the problem you are seeing? Thanks!! Chih-Pin

Hello line-weight: Could you also post this on the wishlist board so that other users can discuss the wish in the same thread? I am also collecting the multiview feedback on the wishlist board. Thanks!! Chih-Pin

Hello Dubman, If you are talking about changing the visibility settings using the dropdown in the Navigation Palette, we are currently addressing the issue. Here are some previous discussions - Also, if the "Use Same Visibilities in All Panes" is checked, the changes to the active design layers will apply to all the panes with design layers. Hope my explanation helps, and let me know if you have further questions. Best, Chih-Pin

Hello Tom, I'm sorry that this issue causes some inconvenience to you. There is a problem with the visibility drop-down menu in the layer/class palette when the floating pane is active. We are addressing this issue now and hopefully, the fix can be push to the public sooner or later. Before that, you may need to click on the empty area on the palette to notify the palette to be activated before clicking on the drop down. The floating pane will still be active unless you click on other panes in the main window. And the visibility modifications will still be applied to the floating pane. Chih-Pin

Hello@Jeremiah Russell, Thanks for reporting the issue you are seeing. If you don't mind, could you attach the file here or send it to any place where you think safe and I can reach. I will take a look and see if there is anything we can do here. Thanks!! Chih-Pin

Thanks line-weight for your input!! Currently, the interaction logic is as follows: If the user uses purely mouse interactions, e.g. left, middle, right mouse clicks and mouse wheel, the system will activate the pane under the mouse cursor. Otherwise, the system will apply the current interactions to the currently active pane (pane with blue border). The main reason is that VW is not sure whether the user's attention is in the pane under the cursor or not. Let's think about the following scenarios: When the user clicks on OIP and tries to modify some parameters on the selected objects with the mouse cursor on a pane, we don't want that pane to be activated because there might be other selection sets in those panes. In a scenario of using 3D mouse, the 2D mouse cursor may also be moved away from the pane where the user's attention is, e.g. on other panes or in tool palettes. The best way, for now, is to apply the navigation to the active pane (blue border). While I understand that sometimes the user would like to automatically activate the pane under the mouse cursor, there are also side effects here and we need to make the tradeoff. I've submitted this as a bug. So hopeuflly we will be able to push the fix to the public sooner or later.

Just for the record.. I attached a video that demonstrates the "drag an edge to move window" behavior. There are also some discussions here that may help: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/71112/how-do-i-move-a-window-whose-title-bar-is-off-screen DragWindow.mov

Which version of MAC do you have? If you are able to grab any edges, you should be able to move the pane by dragging the edge without resizing it. For instance, if you grab a vertical edge, you should be able to drag it horizontally to move the pane, and vice versa. This OS level trick should work for all the applications windows on Mac, at least Sierra and high Sierra. But I don't remember whether it supports older versions of Mac OS X. Let me know if it's still not working for you. :-)

I'm sorry the crash caused a mess for you. There are some OS level limitations that we need to work around for the floating pane being too large problem in your case. In this case, if you are on windows, you can use the OS level hot key -- Windows + left/right/up/down, to move the pane. If you are on mac, you should be able to grab the edge of the floating pane to move the pane and resize it. In addition, I think there is no "Close Floating View Pane" command, but there is a "Create Floating View Pane" command. It basically will duplicate the current active pane, including a floating pane, to another floating pane.

Interesting. If I create a simple hybrid symbol with 3D cubes and 2D rectangle in it, I'm still able to highlight automatic working plane without entering the symbol in VW 2018. There might be some additional settings in the file or the symbol?

Thank you so much for the information, When you move the objects in a 2D Top/Plan pane, it will not be showing the real-time feedback in other 3D panes. There are some more discussions here:

Hello Nikihoops, Could you elaborate more on the issue you see? Do you mean it's not showing the real-time feedback in other 3D panes? Or after you finish moving, it's not showing updated location in other panes? Thanks!!

Yes, you are able to open the file with the same pane configurations when you save it. In addition, you can also choose to save as a template so that you will have the same pane configurations when you create a new file with the template.

So palm/arm rejection doesn't work or isn't good enough for you? Yes, this is a good point!!

I agree that Mouse+Keyboard (+3D Mouse) is still the best way to interact modern CAD tools, including Vectorworks. However, I did research on the stylus interaction before, and also agree the fun and creativity it provides. btw - does your tablet support multi-touch?

This is a really good and interesting way to describe motion sickness. There is an active research area in Human Computer Interactions called "Embodied Interactions" in which the researchers study how does human coordinate their sensory inputs with the motion outputs continuously. Different people have various reactions to the same interaction settings. Researchers are still trying to find the common ground in this area. One of the interesting research came to my mind -- http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2858226. To be honest, I spent some time to connect my haptic feedback from the 3D Mouse to what I see on the screen and get used to it (probably couple years on and off using it). However, once I connect them together, I can navigate to the right orientation much faster than a traditional mouse and keyboard settings. BTW, I'm pretty easy to get motion sickness as well.

Hello Gadzooks, Thank you so much for your feedback. I personally love to browse the forum because of you guys' supports and reports. Every time when I'm seeing the problems from the users that are related to what I'm doing, I feel the need of making some efforts. However, as you may know, the system is extremely complex and we have to take every step very carefully before putting it out to the public. There are also many issues reported internally that may or may not affect the end users. Regardless whether we already knew or had fixes of the issues, the problems reported here will help us push the fixes to the process of making it to the public. Also glad to hear you like MultiView. There are many folks here making a lot of efforts days and nights to make it happen. Chih-Pin

Hello Kevin, Thanks for reporting!! This is a known issue and will be fixed in a future SP. Chih-Pin

Zoomer, I just tested on my mac machine and it also works as expected. As you suspected, there might be some thing in the file or workspace. This doesn't count within one tool. Technically, you are using Rectangle tool in one pane and then PushPull tool in another. You can imagine MultiView as a system quickly switching different views for different panes. If you are able to do it when manually switching the view projections, you should also be able to do it in MultiView in theory. We are aware of a bug that's similar to what you describe. If you are able to record any screen shot videos or reproducing steps before this behavior occurs, we will be easier to understand the problem and fix it. Sure, go ahead and send it to me or put it somewhere I can reach and you feel safe. Best

Yes, you are able to cross over between different panes even in the middle of drawing, e.g. drawing polylines or rectangles. But there are limitations. Basically, the following cross over interactions are not allowed: Between Top/Plan panes and 3D panes. Between the panes with different active layers For instance, you can start drawing a rectangle by clicking the first point in a Top/Plan pane in "Design Layer 1", and clicking the second point in another Top/Plan pane in "Design Layer 1". But you can't do it by clicking the second point in an orthogonal pane. I was testing on Windows earlier today. I will test it on mac again tomorrow when I enter the office.

Yes, though there are always rooms for improvements, these workflows should work out naturally. If there is anything you feel unintuitive, feel free to post anything for discussions. Sorry, remind me again what 3D mouse model you are using? I'm using my SpaceMouse Enterprise and not observing the problem you described. Thanks!!

Hello GeoB, Are you talking about the multiple drawing view pane support in Vectorworks 2018? If yes, you can follow Jim's video at 28s here to do it. Or you could check the bottom of this page that explains how you can create a floating view pane step by step. http://app-help.vectorworks.net/2018/eng/index.htm#t=VW2018_Guide%2FViews%2FChanging_the_Multiple_View_Pane_Layout.htm%23XREF_77646_Changing_the

I have the background of architecture design originally and also use helicopter mode mostly with 3D mouse. Zoomer, Could you try some of the sample applications provided by the 3d connection driver and see which navigation mode makes the most sense to you? I am trying to find any users that have different preferences to the people who like helicoptering and see what's the mental model behind it. Thanks!!