awesome, the other issue, that i am running into (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't) is that sometimes when i render, lighting instruments will be turned on in Visualization palette, i will have it aimed at a focus point. and during pre render, it shows up, and then post render it won't. i don't know if the issues are related. it usually happens if i have a black textured floor, or have a human figure. I've tried moving the focus point and also refreshing my instruments. no luck. but recently it has "fixed" itself. but my other class mates are having the issue. and there isn't a clear solution. thanks in advance