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Also, when we export a drawing w/3D loci as a .dwg and then open the .dwg in another program there are no points.
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No, that we've been able to determine there is no way to export a data file in the new program. The only way we've been able to accomplish this is to do a "select all" and open a new drawing in VW8, set the units and paste in place. They likely won't land on your drawing, mine never do but none the less now you have your points in a place where they can be exported as a point file using the export vectorscript. Then you should be able to reimport them into Landmark. This is absolutely unacceptable, perhaps Vectorworks would be willing to provide an extra version8 disk for new customers. Anyway, here is a copy of the vectorscript. Be warned, we've only been able to get this to work in the old version.
{The script begins below, this is a comment line} procedure coord; var x,y,z,ox,oy:real; i:integer; obj:handle; ofile:string; begin getorigin(ox,oy); obj:=factlayer; PutFile('Output file', ' ', ofile); write('X'); tab(1); write('Y'); tab(1); writeln('Z'); while obj<>NIL do begin i:=GetType(obj); if (i=9) then begin GetLocus3D(obj,x,y,z); x:=x-ox; y:=y-oy; write(x); tab(1); write(y); tab(1); writeln(z); end; obj:=nextobj(obj); end; close(ofile); end; run(coord); {This comment line ends the script}
Good luckValerie
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We have a set of data that includes imported survey data or 3D loci and 3D polygons that we created for a pond which is our modification to the existing ground. This creates a DTM but we need to bring this into an engineering program and want all 3D loci to do that. When we try to convert 3D polys to 3D loci we get an error message that says, "A vectorscript error has occured. Refer to the "error output" for a further explanation." I cannot see where there should be a problem. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Val
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How do you import/convert a TIN layer from a drawing file to a VW site model? We want to use Landmark to place symbols on the surface of the TIN/site model. We've tried with no success.
Or, how do you import/convert 3D polylines from a dwg file to a VW site model? The 3D polylines in the dwg file were converted to 2D polylines. Short of hand converting 2D polylines to 3D polylines individually, surely there must be a way to carry the 3D entities (contours) for conversion to a VW site model.
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Can Landmark produce labeled and gridded profiles and cross sections as is necessary in design work?
Thank-you,Valerie McKayRLK Hydro
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Lyle,
I left a message on the board last week about my problems with importing and exporting survey data into and from Landmark and have recieved no responce as yet. I am no pro to begin with and have had a rather difficult time figuring if these problems are me or the program. If you would read my message titled Import/Export and tell me what you know I would appreciate it a great deal. I have been trying also to deal with these DTM's and am running into problems I know are me but can't seem to find the solutions to, for example, why when I change veiws does my DTM end up way out in space somewhere? I will be trying again today to figure these problems out but am wondering if I should just stick with version 8. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Valerie
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I recently asked for suggestions on exporting Pt#,y,x,z&desc. so that this data could be downloaded into a total station for surveying purposes. Frank Brault responded with a Vectorscript that would Export Pt#,x,y,z&desc. for loci, thank-you Frank. It is as follows:
{The script begins below, this is a comment line}
procedure coord;
var
x,y,z:real;
i:integer;
obj:handle;
ofile:string;
begin
obj:=factlayer;
PutFile('Output file', ' ', ofile);
write('X');
tab(1);
write('Y');
tab(1);
writeln('Z');
while obj<>NIL do
begin
i:=GetType(obj);
if (i=9) then begin
GetLocus3D(obj,x,y,z);
write('<ID>');
tab(1);
write(x);
tab(1);
write(y);
tab(1);
write(z);
tab(1);
writeln('<desc>');
end;
obj:=nextobj(obj);
end;
close(ofile);
end;
run(coord);
{This comment line ends the script}
This would be fine but in Landmark when I import my survey data "stake objects" are created with all this information attached to them. The vectorscript as it is written won't export this data on stake objects I am guessing. I can turn these into loci one of two ways that I have dicovered, I can go to ortho view or ungroup these objects. In ortho the data is retained in the object info palette but the loci instantly turn back into stake objects and no data is exported. If I ungroup these objects they loose all the data except x,y,z info but then will export that data. Question #1: Why can I not choose to import as loci with this info connected (my personal preference)? #2: Can this script be rewritten to export data on stake objects? #3: When I import a survey file why do the points end up out in space somewhere? (They need to retain their true coordinate values and still end up in my drawing area.) #4: Why can we still not choose to set 0? at north? #5: I find that the older version of VW is much easier to do DTM's on, Landmark is still very confusing to me and I don't seem to get the same results, why? #6: I could die without an extend tool, is that what you want?
Valerie McKay
RLK Hydro
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Marc,
Thanks so much for your responses every time I am having trouble. Barb has said so many nice things about you I feel like we've met. Hopefully someday we will. I need to try to rewrite this script so that we get pt. no.,y,x,z,desc. instead of x,y,z as that is how it needs to be formatted for download into the total station we should be getting soon! If you have any more suggestions please feel free. I know I'll have more questions.
Thanks again Marc and everyone else who has tried to help.
Val McKay
RLK Hydro
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I have created a pond design for a client and then created a 3D model from 3D loci which I placed on my contours and gave z values to. At this point we need to go stake this pond out on the ground and need a data output file of coordinates and elevations. I expect there must be an easy way to do this that I cannot figure out. I also created some 2D x-sections of the pond expecting that perhaps I could retrieve some data from these. Apparently there is no information attached to these either. I have tried to contact tech support 3 times today only to wait on hold for several minutes at my expence and then get cut off. Do you have a 1-800 number I could call so tech support could truely be free? I would even pay if someone would just answer the phone! We are supposed to stake this out in just a few days so a quick response would be appreciated. Please let me know if I have gone about this all wrong and there is a better way.
Valerie McKay
RLK Hydro
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Help!
I have created a pond design for a client and then created a 3D model from 3D loci which I placed on my contours and gave z values to. At this point we need to go stake this pond on the ground and need data output file of coordinates and elevations. I expect there must be an easy way to do this that I cannot figure out. I also created some 2D x-sections of the pond expecting that perhaps I could retrieve some data from these. Apparently there is no information attached to these either. I have tried to contact tech support 3 times today only to wait on hold for several minutes at my expence and then get cut off. Do you have a 1-800 number I could call so tech support could truely be free? We are supposed to stake this out in just a few days so a quick response would be appreciated.
Valerie McKay
RLK Hydro
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There is a "how-to" about scaling hatch patterns at:
http://www.nemetschek.net/support/technotes/038.html
Barb N.
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quote:Originally posted by don:When is Landmark going to ready for shipping?
Hello???? Can someone answer this question? We are wondering the same thing.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Marc P. is right on about filtering and v8 DTMs--we can certainly hope that this is vastly improved in Landmark. another good troubleshooting technique is to look at your points in "front" view--sometimes there will be one or two points that are outliers or that are simply wrong that you can catch this way. But if your points are all in a very small range of z values, this won't help.
Did you ever get it to work?
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro
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I just got off the phone with someone at customer service at NNA. He told me that Landmark won't ship until mid-May.
Barb Nelson <refraining from additional comment>
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Can you give more details about what you're doing? Does it crash immediately, or after a few steps? Are you sure it's frozen up and not just calculating? (some DTM's can take a couple of hours to run). Do you get an error message? are you using loci or poly's, and how many of them are there? etc etc
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Well, I have to say that this is a pretty sorry way of dealing with your customer base. A major feature of a previous version is *entirely* deleted from a new version, and you have to pay a $395 (or whatever it is) upgrade fee to get it back??? What in the world were they thinking??? Couldn't they at least have left installing v8.5 DTM's as an option in VW9? That means VW9 is essentially useless to us, since Landmark9 is still on "backorder." (and VW9 hasn't arrived yet, though I'll admit it hasn't quite been a week since we ordered it.)
This isn't directed at tech support, I'm sure this was decided by some <derogatory term edited out> in marketing, but imo, this is a really quick fast way to alienate your installed user base.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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We've ordered VW9 but it hasn't come yet, so I can't give you a definitive answer. But we've spoken with tech support about DTM's several times over the last six weeks or so, and there was no mention that this capability would be deleted, although they did say that Landmark would have improved DTM capabilities.
If one of the "official" NNA people who post here hasn't answered this question by the time VW9 comes, I'll let you know what we find out. I'm hesitant to actually switch to VW9 until we hear what the buzz is about it (is anybody actually using it yet? any beta users willing to chime in?), but we can at least install it on another machine and check it out a little.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Mike,
We got the script to work with no problems, nicely done. However, the xy values are shifted, the same way they are when you use the File/Export/Export VectorScript... command. We can work around this by including a known point in our list of exported points and shifting everything in an Excel spreadsheet, but I'm curious why they get shifted. any ideas? (the z values export correctly).
Thanks also for the reminder about the listserv, I was already subscribed but had been nomail for months. I'd forgotten what a great resource it is!
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Thank you, Mike! That is a big help.
Barb
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We have created the layout for a pipe system for dewatering a client's property. I've manually entered 3D loci at 50' intervals with the correct z value for the pipe elevation. Now we need to export the xyz's of these loci to a text file to give to a surveyor so the points can be marked on the property. (the values must be a plain text file so it can be downloaded to their survey instrument.) Phone calls to tech support yield no good solution--we tried exporting to VectorScript, but the resulting xyz values have been shifted and no longer have the correct coordinates (not to mention that you have to edit out about 90% of the file).
Any other ideas out there? We can, of course, give them an exported .dwg file and ask them to create the text file for us, but it would certainly be more professional to be able to hand them the data they are asking for rather than asking them to do it for us.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Can anyone give us some hints about dealing with working planes in 3D drawings? We're trying to learn this on our own (and hoping that one of the seminars in Seattle or Minneapolis listed on the seminars webpage will turn out to be the 3D one). In the meantime, we have a drawing that has half a dozen working planes that we created aligned with the sides of a septic tank (don't ask). But when we tried to go back and use the working planes, they seem to have disappeared. Several hours of messing with this and re-doing it have not helped. We've been through the tutorial that comes on the VW CD-Rom.
What we're trying to do is create a 3-D drawing of a septic tank that has sloping sides and a removable lid. Also has two interior chambers. The idea is that once we get the 3-D version of it, we can print any view or cross-section without having to do separate drawings.
Thanks in advance--
Valerie McKay
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Sorry to reopen an old topic, I've been out of the office.
It's news to me that the precision only goes to 1/2", since we use this feature all the time. I think the difference is that we use decimal dimensions almost exclusively (i.e., "Feet" instead of "Feet & Inches"), and if your units are set to "Feet", the precision does indeed go to 0. I'm not sure why there would be a difference between the two types of units. This may not be a viable workaround for CarmelHill2, but I thought I'd mention it just in case.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Edit the arrowhead for the class "Dimension." Of course this will only work for existing dimensions if their attributes are set to use the class attributes--should work fine for any you create after the change, though.
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
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Maybe I am misunderstanding the question... but if you select the dimension, in the object info pallette there is a field labeled "Prec." which you can set to whatever precision you like. This will override the setting you have in Page/Units. Depending on how you have your units set, you may also need to put a double quote in the "Trailer:" field to get it to display 4".
hth--
Barb Nelson
RLK Hydro, Inc.
Missing image
in Site Design
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Whenever I change my perspective of a topo drawing the image ends up out in space somewhere and I have to go look for it and move my print area frame, in one particular drawing my image disappears completely when I try to render, ("Open GL") and I also have these problems at times when I want to add a layer or change the scale of a layer (layers not even involved with the layer the image is in?
Please help!
Val