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OK, life seems to be a never ending learning process! Now I have only 9999 Vectorworks features to figure out. Big thanks!

I have to give up...sorry to bother you once more but this "poly fill" remains a total mystery for me! Where is that at? Your procedure is otherwise clear but this "poly fill"....???

Big thanks for your comments so far! Looks like I should have been here asking for advise long time ago... My work flow for the 2D work typically goes as follows: - in 3D mode I activate everything and do the "convert to lines" - then I usully choose the "hidden line rendering" which looks better in 2D IMHO This way I get the hybrid object quite easily. For many of my objects the 2D work comes directly from the machine manufacturers 2D (usually DWG) drawing that I import to VW, discard all the inherited DWG layers and use this as my 2D view. Usually my 3D work has far less details than the factory 2D. How did you make the 2D polygon, I tried that but could not figure out the correct way?

Thanks for the hints, guys. Yes those (few) figures are Vectorworks humans converted to hybrid symbols as I want to have a little different 2D view than the standard VW human. I'll try to use the new VW 2018 feature of optimizing the mesh and see if these can be made lighter. EDIT 30 min later: This did not work! Original VW 2016 human figure as my hybrid object has the size of 1139 kb and after converting the 3D to mesh and then "optimizing" it the file size is 2906 kb! Talking about the recommendation of using mesh vs. something else I attach couple of other examples together with the next question: There is a typicl bakery machine library hybrid symbol that I use in my models. This is made from extrudes, sweeps etc. and the size of this symbol in 2016 seems to be 1151 kb. I tested the mesh optimizing feature of 2018 and so I converted my 3D to mesh and then used the optimizing tool to reduce the size of the mesh. The result was pretty discouraging: the file size jumped to 2262 kb in v 2018 and when I converted that back to 2016 the file is still 1998 kb. What have I missed here now? What advantage does the mesh using give? Dough mixer v2016.vwx Dough_mixer_v2018_mesh_optimized.vwx Dough mixer v2016 mesh optimized.vwx

Hi all, this is my first post on this forum so pardon me if this has already been discussed through previously... I use Vectorworks for designing factory (bakeries) and production line layouts in 3D. I have been using VW since 2011 after some 15 years of AutoCad. In my models the building is just simple walls, columns, doors, simple windows and floor slab. (Some samples attached) Typically the building is a reference file to my machine layout. Most of the machines I have modeled over the years either with AutoCad or mostly with VW and I currently have a bakery machine library consting of couple of hundred various machines, which are 2D/3D symbols. I also have a custom built conveyor tool for making conveyors (straight, curves, spirals) as those are widely used in a bakery. Nowadays I also get some macine models from the machine manufactures in STP or SAT format and typically those files are easily 300-500 MB and I try to make those lighter by deleting all the unnecessary details (sprockets, chains, nuts, bolts etc) but still one machine can easily be 100 MB. My constant problem is the large file sizes. A typical working file with 2 to 3 external references is from 500 MB to 1,5 GB. I'm currently using v 2016. I tried a year ago to switch over to 2017 but I had some issues with DWG conversions and I had no time to fiddle with this so I stayd with 2016. Already then I noticed that my files became larger with the new version. Now the 2018 seems to blow the roof! If I open my v 2016 file of 1, 433 GB and save the file as version 2018 without doing anything the file is now 2,050 GB! I would like to move to 2018 as I have some funny issues with my 2016 (I will ask about these in another thread) but I don't know is there hardware powerful enough to handle these, especially as I do half of my work on laptop. So is it a given fact that each version needs more bytes to present the same information on screen? That I simply need to upgrade my computers annually to be able to even keep up the current work effciency, let alone hoping to handle the documents any faster...? I have Win 7 SP1 workstation , with 24GB RAM, Intel Xeon CPU E31245 @3,30 GHz with NVIDIA Quadro K 4200 graphic card and laptop Lenovo W 540 Win 7 SP1, with 32 GB RAM, Intel Core i7-4910MQ CPU @2,90 GHz with Intel HD Graphics Family graphic card. Ari Ignatius BakAri Consulting Hyvinkää, Finland

Hi guys, my first post to this forum, so my apologizes if you have gone through this topic over and over...(I tried the search but did not find exactly what I needed.) Some background of myself: I have used AutoCad for the past 15 years and last autumn I changed to VW 2010 and this spring I upgraded to 2011. I am no engineer, nor architect, I am a baker and an economist doing engineers job ;-) I do investment consulting for bakeries and food factories and almost every time I end up doing layouts of the new production lines. For this purpose I have to show the building walls, columns, doors, sometimes ventilation ducts etc, but only on the principal level. I don't care about the structures or details of those. Then I place the production process equipment in these facilites. I try to go more and more to 3D (for the machines as well) as it gives a better comprehension for the viewers / decision makers who often times have very little or none whatsoever experience in "reading" drawings. Now I start facing the problems with the hardware I have described below. My file sizes go esily up to 60 - 100 MB and especially then trying to work in 3D using Open GL rendering things proceed veeeery slowly. I have received excellent user help from Petri Sakkinen, who seems to be quite a VW guru, but being a Mac user he advised me to come to this forum with my above described problem: Therefore I'm asking advise from the joint wisdom of the forum in case some of you have recently faced a similar issue: What would be TODAY's optimum PC workstation / desktop for running Vectorworks 2011? What computer components to look at? Processor or even multiprocessors? Harddisk speed? Memory size? Video card type? Or what? And please, I'm no computer specialist myself...so let's keep the discussion on my level of comprehension. :blush: Thank you in advance for your comments!